We need a direct method of getting the pid inside containers.
If some issues occurred inside container guest, host user
could not know which process is in trouble just by guest pid:
the users of container guest only knew the pid inside containers.
This will bring obstacle for trouble shooting.
int getnspid(pid_t pid, int fd1, int fd2);
pid: the pid number need to be translated.
fd: a file descriptor referring to one of
the namespace entries in a /proc/[pid]/ns/pid.
fd1 for destination ns(ns1), where the pid came from.
fd2 for reference ns(ns2), while fd2 = -2 means for current ns.
return value:
>0 : translated pid in ns1(fd1) seen from ns2(fd2).
<=0: on failure.
Signed-off-by: Chen Hanxiao <redacted>
---
v2: drop pidtype
check ns_ops before getting pid_namespace structure
arch/x86/syscalls/syscall_32.tbl | 1 +
arch/x86/syscalls/syscall_64.tbl | 1 +
include/linux/syscalls.h | 1 +
kernel/nsproxy.c | 45 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
4 files changed, 48 insertions(+)
@@ -323,6 +323,7 @@ 314 common sched_setattr sys_sched_setattr 315 common sched_getattr sys_sched_getattr 316 common renameat2 sys_renameat2+317 common getnspid sys_getnspid # # x32-specific system call numbers start at 512 to avoid cache impact
From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> Date: 2014-06-20 11:02:19
Am 20.06.2014 12:18, schrieb Chen Hanxiao:
We need a direct method of getting the pid inside containers.
If some issues occurred inside container guest, host user
could not know which process is in trouble just by guest pid:
the users of container guest only knew the pid inside containers.
This will bring obstacle for trouble shooting.
int getnspid(pid_t pid, int fd1, int fd2);
pid: the pid number need to be translated.
fd: a file descriptor referring to one of
the namespace entries in a /proc/[pid]/ns/pid.
fd1 for destination ns(ns1), where the pid came from.
fd2 for reference ns(ns2), while fd2 = -2 means for current ns.
return value:
>0 : translated pid in ns1(fd1) seen from ns2(fd2).
<=0: on failure.
I don't think that adding a new system call for this is a good solution.
We need a more generic way. I bet people are interested in more than just PID numbers.
I agree with Eric that a procfs solution is more appropriate.
Thanks,
//richard
@@ -323,6 +323,7 @@ 314 common sched_setattr sys_sched_setattr 315 common sched_getattr sys_sched_getattr 316 common renameat2 sys_renameat2+317 common getnspid sys_getnspid # # x32-specific system call numbers start at 512 to avoid cache impact
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Weinberger [mailto:richard@nod.at]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 7:02 PM
To: Chen, Hanxiao/陈 晗霄; containers@lists.linux-foundation.org;
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Eric W. Biederman; Serge Hallyn; Daniel P. Berrange; Oleg Nesterov; Al Viro;
David Howells; Pavel Emelyanov; Vasiliy Kulikov; Gotou, Yasunori/五�u 康文;
linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ns: introduce getnspid syscall
Am 20.06.2014 12:18, schrieb Chen Hanxiao:
quoted
We need a direct method of getting the pid inside containers.
If some issues occurred inside container guest, host user
could not know which process is in trouble just by guest pid:
the users of container guest only knew the pid inside containers.
This will bring obstacle for trouble shooting.
int getnspid(pid_t pid, int fd1, int fd2);
pid: the pid number need to be translated.
fd: a file descriptor referring to one of
the namespace entries in a /proc/[pid]/ns/pid.
fd1 for destination ns(ns1), where the pid came from.
fd2 for reference ns(ns2), while fd2 = -2 means for current ns.
return value:
>0 : translated pid in ns1(fd1) seen from ns2(fd2).
<=0: on failure.
I don't think that adding a new system call for this is a good solution.
We need a more generic way. I bet people are interested in more than just PID
numbers.
Could you please give some hints on how to expand this interface?
I agree with Eric that a procfs solution is more appropriate.
Procfs is a good solution, but syscall is not bad though.
Procfs works for me, but that seems could not fit
Pavel's requirement.
His opinion is that a syscall is a more generic interface
than proc files, and also very helpful.
And syscall could tell whether a pid lives in a specific pid namespace,
much convenient than procfs.
Thanks,
- Chen
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Weinberger [mailto:richard@nod.at]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 7:02 PM
To: Chen, Hanxiao/陈 晗霄; containers@lists.linux-foundation.org;
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Eric W. Biederman; Serge Hallyn; Daniel P. Berrange; Oleg Nesterov; Al Viro;
David Howells; Pavel Emelyanov; Vasiliy Kulikov; Gotou, Yasunori/五島 康文;
linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ns: introduce getnspid syscall
Am 20.06.2014 12:18, schrieb Chen Hanxiao:
quoted
We need a direct method of getting the pid inside containers.
If some issues occurred inside container guest, host user
could not know which process is in trouble just by guest pid:
the users of container guest only knew the pid inside containers.
This will bring obstacle for trouble shooting.
int getnspid(pid_t pid, int fd1, int fd2);
pid: the pid number need to be translated.
fd: a file descriptor referring to one of
the namespace entries in a /proc/[pid]/ns/pid.
fd1 for destination ns(ns1), where the pid came from.
fd2 for reference ns(ns2), while fd2 = -2 means for current ns.
return value:
>0 : translated pid in ns1(fd1) seen from ns2(fd2).
<=0: on failure.
I don't think that adding a new system call for this is a good solution.
We need a more generic way. I bet people are interested in more than just PID
numbers.
Could you please give some hints on how to expand this interface?
quoted
I agree with Eric that a procfs solution is more appropriate.
Procfs is a good solution, but syscall is not bad though.
I might be inclined to agree, except that in this case you are still
needing mounted procfs anyway to get the proc/$pid/ns/pid fds.
I'm sorry, I've not been watching this thread, so this probably has been
considered and decided against, but I'm going to ask anyway. Keeping
in mind both checkpoint-restart and and introspection for use in a
setns'd commend, why not make it
pid_t getnspid(pid_t query_pid, pid_t observer_pid)
which returns the process id of query_pid as seen from observer_pid's
pidns?
Procfs works for me, but that seems could not fit
Pavel's requirement.
His opinion is that a syscall is a more generic interface
than proc files, and also very helpful.
And syscall could tell whether a pid lives in a specific pid namespace,
much convenient than procfs.
Thanks,
- Chen
-----Original Message-----
From: Serge E. Hallyn [mailto:serge@hallyn.com]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:33 PM
To: Chen, Hanxiao/陈 晗霄
Cc: Richard Weinberger; containers@lists.linux-foundation.org;
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; Pavel Emelyanov; linux-api@vger.kernel.org;
Serge Hallyn; Oleg Nesterov; David Howells; Eric W. Biederman; Al Viro
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ns: introduce getnspid syscall
quoted
quoted
quoted
I don't think that adding a new system call for this is a good solution.
We need a more generic way. I bet people are interested in more than just
PID
quoted
quoted
numbers.
Could you please give some hints on how to expand this interface?
quoted
I agree with Eric that a procfs solution is more appropriate.
Procfs is a good solution, but syscall is not bad though.
I might be inclined to agree, except that in this case you are still
needing mounted procfs anyway to get the proc/$pid/ns/pid fds.
I'm sorry, I've not been watching this thread, so this probably has been
considered and decided against, but I'm going to ask anyway. Keeping
in mind both checkpoint-restart and and introspection for use in a
setns'd commend, why not make it
pid_t getnspid(pid_t query_pid, pid_t observer_pid)
which returns the process id of query_pid as seen from observer_pid's
pidns?
But this could be confused in nested ns.
Ex:
(thanks for Pavel's figure)
init_pid_ns ns1 ns2
t1 2
t2 `- 3 1
t3 `- 4 `- 5 1
t4 5
a) getnspid(1, 1):
We expected it could return t2's pid(2nd 1 as pid
such as systemd in init_pid_ns),
but t3'pid is also an appropriate result.
We may get more than one returns.
b) getnspid(5, 1):
(1st 5 was expected as pid in ns1)
t3'pid and t4's pid could both be the answer.
We could not determine which one is what we want.
So something unique like fds of ns should be
a better reference.
Thanks,
- Chen
quoted
Procfs works for me, but that seems could not fit
Pavel's requirement.
His opinion is that a syscall is a more generic interface
than proc files, and also very helpful.
And syscall could tell whether a pid lives in a specific pid namespace,
much convenient than procfs.
Thanks,
- Chen
-----Original Message-----
From: Serge E. Hallyn [mailto:serge@hallyn.com]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:33 PM
To: Chen, Hanxiao/陈 晗霄
Cc: Richard Weinberger; containers@lists.linux-foundation.org;
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; Pavel Emelyanov; linux-api@vger.kernel.org;
Serge Hallyn; Oleg Nesterov; David Howells; Eric W. Biederman; Al Viro
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ns: introduce getnspid syscall
quoted
quoted
quoted
I don't think that adding a new system call for this is a good solution.
We need a more generic way. I bet people are interested in more than just
PID
quoted
quoted
numbers.
Could you please give some hints on how to expand this interface?
quoted
I agree with Eric that a procfs solution is more appropriate.
Procfs is a good solution, but syscall is not bad though.
I might be inclined to agree, except that in this case you are still
needing mounted procfs anyway to get the proc/$pid/ns/pid fds.
I'm sorry, I've not been watching this thread, so this probably has been
considered and decided against, but I'm going to ask anyway. Keeping
in mind both checkpoint-restart and and introspection for use in a
setns'd commend, why not make it
pid_t getnspid(pid_t query_pid, pid_t observer_pid)
which returns the process id of query_pid as seen from observer_pid's
pidns?
But this could be confused in nested ns.
Ex:
(thanks for Pavel's figure)
init_pid_ns ns1 ns2
t1 2
t2 `- 3 1
t3 `- 4 `- 5 1
t4 5
a) getnspid(1, 1):
We expected it could return t2's pid(2nd 1 as pid
Clearly the passed-in pids should be interpreted as relative
to current's pidns. There can be no ambiguity at that point,
unless I'm overlooking something.
such as systemd in init_pid_ns),
but t3'pid is also an appropriate result.
We may get more than one returns.
b) getnspid(5, 1):
(1st 5 was expected as pid in ns1)
t3'pid and t4's pid could both be the answer.
We could not determine which one is what we want.
So something unique like fds of ns should be
a better reference.
Thanks,
- Chen
quoted
quoted
Procfs works for me, but that seems could not fit
Pavel's requirement.
His opinion is that a syscall is a more generic interface
than proc files, and also very helpful.
And syscall could tell whether a pid lives in a specific pid namespace,
much convenient than procfs.
Thanks,
- Chen
-----Original Message-----
From: Serge Hallyn [mailto:serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:39 PM
To: Chen, Hanxiao/陈 晗霄
Cc: Serge E. Hallyn; Eric W. Biederman; Richard Weinberger;
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; Oleg
Nesterov; David Howells; Al Viro; linux-api@vger.kernel.org
quoted
quoted
quoted
quoted
quoted
I don't think that adding a new system call for this is a good solution.
We need a more generic way. I bet people are interested in more than just
PID
quoted
quoted
numbers.
Could you please give some hints on how to expand this interface?
quoted
I agree with Eric that a procfs solution is more appropriate.
Procfs is a good solution, but syscall is not bad though.
I might be inclined to agree, except that in this case you are still
needing mounted procfs anyway to get the proc/$pid/ns/pid fds.
I'm sorry, I've not been watching this thread, so this probably has been
considered and decided against, but I'm going to ask anyway. Keeping
in mind both checkpoint-restart and and introspection for use in a
setns'd commend, why not make it
pid_t getnspid(pid_t query_pid, pid_t observer_pid)
which returns the process id of query_pid as seen from observer_pid's
pidns?
But this could be confused in nested ns.
Ex:
(thanks for Pavel's figure)
init_pid_ns ns1 ns2
t1 2
t2 `- 3 1
t3 `- 4 `- 5 1
t4 5
a) getnspid(1, 1):
We expected it could return t2's pid(2nd 1 as pid
Clearly the passed-in pids should be interpreted as relative
to current's pidns. There can be no ambiguity at that point,
unless I'm overlooking something.
Default to current's pidns looks reasonable.
But nested namespace will still bring trouble to us.
Since the middle level of namespace looks less attractive to users,
how about ignore them, and just show the deepest level's pid?
Ex:
(Thanks for Pavel's figure again)
init_pid_ns ns1 ns2
t1 2
t2 `- 3 1
t3 `- 4 `- 5 1
t4 `- 5 `-7 `- 2
1. In init_pid_ns:
a) getnspid(2, 1):
returns 2 (t1)
b) getnspid(1, 3):
returns 3 (t2)
c) getnspid(1, 4):
returns 4 (t3)
getnspid(2, 4):
returns 5 (t3)
2. In ns1
a) getnspid(2, 5):
returns 7 (t4)
How do you like this idea?
Thanks,
- Chen
quoted
such as systemd in init_pid_ns),
but t3'pid is also an appropriate result.
We may get more than one returns.
b) getnspid(5, 1):
(1st 5 was expected as pid in ns1)
t3'pid and t4's pid could both be the answer.
We could not determine which one is what we want.
So something unique like fds of ns should be
a better reference.
Thanks,
- Chen
quoted
quoted
Procfs works for me, but that seems could not fit
Pavel's requirement.
His opinion is that a syscall is a more generic interface
than proc files, and also very helpful.
And syscall could tell whether a pid lives in a specific pid namespace,
much convenient than procfs.
Thanks,
- Chen