Karsten Blees [off-list ref] writes:
quoted
I do not think the removal of the text makes much sense here unless
you add the equivalent to the new text below.
quoted
- The contents of the blob objects are uninterpreted sequences
of bytes. There is no encoding translation at the core
level.
- - The commit log messages are uninterpreted sequences of non-NUL
- bytes.
+ - Pathnames are encoded in UTF-8 normalization form C. This
That is true only on some systems like OSX (with HFS+) and Windows,
no? BSDs in general and Linux do not do any such mangling IIRC.
Modern Unices don't need any such mangling because UTF-8 NFC should
be the default system encoding. I'm not sure for BSDs, but it has
been the default on all major Linux distros for more than 10 years.
So? All major distros do not have to worry (and do not even need to
know). As I said,...
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I
am OK with mangling described as a notable oddball to warn users,
though; i.e. not as a norm as your new text suggests but as an
exception.
... I am OK to describe "pathnames are mangled into UTF-8 NFC on
certain filesystems" as a warning. I am OK if we encourage the use
of UTF-8, especially if a project wants to be forward looking
(i.e. it may currently be a monoculture but may become cross
platform in the future). I just do not want to see us saying "you
*must* encode your path in UTF-8 NFC".
ISO-8859-x file names may be fine if you won't ever need to:
- use git-web, JGit, gitk, git-gui...
- exchange repos with "normal" (UTF-8) Unices, Mac and Windows systems
- publish your work on a git hosting service (and expect file and
ref names to show up correctly in the web interface)
- store the repo on Unicode-based file systems (JFS, Joliet, UDF,
exFat, NTFS, HFS, CIFS...)
Yes, that is exatly what I said, isn't it? "Use whatever works for
your project, we do not dictate."
These restrictions are not that obvious when you start a new git
project,...
Or any project for that matter, not limited to "git project", no?
Perhaps that is a moot point by now, as everything in the workd
seems to be a "git project" these days.
As a "distributed" VCS, git should better define the encodings of its core
textual data structures, in particular those that are part of the network
protocol.
That git is encoding agnostic is only really true for blob objects. E.g.
the 'non-NUL bytes' requirement of tree and commit objects excludes
UTF-16/32, and the special meaning of '/' in the index file as well as
space and linefeed in commit objects eliminates EBCDIC and other non-ASCII
encodings.
Git expects bytes < 0x80 to be pure ASCII, thus CJK encodings that partly
overlap with the ASCII range are problematic as well. E.g. fmt_ident()
removes trailing 0x5C from user names on the assumption that it is ASCII
'\'. However, there are over 200 GBK double byte codes that end in 0x5C.
UTF-8 as default encoding on Linux and respective path translations in the
Mac and Windows versions have established UTF-8 NFC as de-facto standard
for path names.
Update the documentation in i18n.txt to reflect the current status-quo.
Signed-off-by: Karsten Blees <redacted>
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Sorry for the delay, got swamped with other stuff...
Am 17.06.2015 um 22:45 schrieb Junio C Hamano:
... I am OK to describe "pathnames are mangled into UTF-8 NFC on
certain filesystems" as a warning. I am OK if we encourage the use
of UTF-8, especially if a project wants to be forward looking
(i.e. it may currently be a monoculture but may become cross
platform in the future). I just do not want to see us saying "you
*must* encode your path in UTF-8 NFC".
...
Yes, that is exatly what I said, isn't it? "Use whatever works for
your project, we do not dictate."
IMO we *have* to clearly specify an encoding. This freedom of choice
you're proclaiming just does not work in reality.
E.g. Git for Windows prior to 1.7.10 recorded file names in Windows
system encoding, which was perfectly legitimate according to the
documentation. Yet we had numerous bug reports regarding file name
encoding problems (you couldn't even share repos across different
Windows versions, let alone with Linux / Mac / JGit...).
You cannot simply tell users that this is because of Git's superior,
flexible design and its their own fault...except of course if you
want them to switch to VCSes that *do* properly define their file
formats and network protocols - such as subversion or bazaar.
(sorry for the sarcasm, couldn't resist)
I think its important to realize that specifying an encoding is
*not* a limitation - on the contrary: it *enables* us to do things
that would be impossible if file names were just "uninterpreted
sequences of non-NUL bytes". This includes features that are so
fundamental that we take them for granted, e.g. displaying file
names using *real* characters rather than just octal escapes.
I've rewritten the path name paragraph to better describe the
problems to expect with legacy encodings. I hope you like this
version better.
Of course, it would be nice to hear other opinions as well - this
probably shouldn't be a discussion between the two of us :-)
Karsten
Documentation/i18n.txt | 33 +++++++++++++++++++++++----------
1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Documentation/i18n.txt b/Documentation/i18n.txt
index e9a1d5d..2dd79db 100644
--- a/Documentation/i18n.txt
+++ b/Documentation/i18n.txt
@@ -1,18 +1,31 @@
-At the core level, Git is character encoding agnostic.
-
- - The pathnames recorded in the index and in the tree objects
- are treated as uninterpreted sequences of non-NUL bytes.
- What readdir(2) returns are what are recorded and compared
- with the data Git keeps track of, which in turn are expected
- to be what lstat(2) and creat(2) accepts. There is no such
- thing as pathname encoding translation.
+Git is to some extent character encoding agnostic.
- The contents of the blob objects are uninterpreted sequences
of bytes. There is no encoding translation at the core
level.
- - The commit log messages are uninterpreted sequences of non-NUL
- bytes.
+ - Path names are encoded in UTF-8 normalization form C. This
+ applies to tree objects, the index file, ref names, as well as
+ path names in command line arguments, environment variables
+ and config files (`.git/config` (see linkgit:git-config[1]),
+ linkgit:gitignore[5], linkgit:gitattributes[5] and
+ linkgit:gitmodules[5]).
++
+Note that Git at the core level treats path names simply as
+sequences of non-NUL bytes, there are no path name encoding
+conversions (except on Mac and Windows). Therefore, using
+non-ASCII path names will mostly work even on platforms and file
+systems that use legacy extended ASCII encodings. However,
+repositories created on such systems will not work properly on
+UTF-8-based systems (e.g. Linux, Mac, Windows) and vice versa.
+Additionally, many Git-based tools simply assume path names to
+be UTF-8 and will fail to display other encodings correctly.
+
+ - Commit log messages are typically encoded in UTF-8, but other
+ extended ASCII encodings are also supported. This includes
+ ISO-8859-x, CP125x and many others, but _not_ UTF-16/32,
+ EBCDIC and CJK multi-byte encodings (GBK, Shift-JIS, Big5,
+ EUC-x, CP9xx etc.).
Although we encourage that the commit log messages are encoded
in UTF-8, both the core and Git Porcelain are designed not to--
2.4.3.windows.1.1.g87477f9
On 07/01/2015 09:10 PM, Karsten Blees wrote:
Of course, it would be nice to hear other opinions as well - this
probably shouldn't be a discussion between the two of us :-)
Karsten
I like this paragraf from your previous mail, I think it can go
into i18n.txt "as is":
ISO-8859-x file names may be fine if you won't ever need to:
- use git-web, JGit, gitk, git-gui...
- exchange repos with "normal" (UTF-8) Unices, Mac and Windows systems
- publish your work on a git hosting service (and expect file and
ref names to show up correctly in the web interface)
- store the repo on Unicode-based file systems (JFS, Joliet, UDF,
exFat, NTFS, HFS+, CIFS...)