From: Junio C Hamano <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
Jakub Narebski [off-list ref] writes:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012, André Walker wrote:
quoted
Hello Jakub, I tweeted to you, but as your last tweet was from January, I'm
guessing here [personal email via Google Profile] is probably a better
place to talk.
Actually the discussion of GSoC project application ideas with mentoring
organization[1] should take place in the open, on git mailing list,
git@vger.kernel.org. (You don't need to be subscribed to send email to
it, and there is custom on this mailing list of Cc-ing all people
participating in discussion; you can read git mailing list via other
interfaces e.g. via GMane.)
The parenthesized part applies to general audience but not to GSoC
students, I would think. Isn't the participation in the mentoring
community mandatory for them?
From: Jakub Narebski <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012, Junio C Hamano wrote:
Jakub Narebski [off-list ref] writes:
quoted
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012, André Walker wrote:
quoted
Hello Jakub, I tweeted to you, but as your last tweet was from January, I'm
guessing here [personal email via Google Profile] is probably a better
place to talk.
Actually the discussion of GSoC project application ideas with mentoring
organization[1] should take place in the open, on git mailing list,
git@vger.kernel.org. (You don't need to be subscribed to send email to
it, and there is custom on this mailing list of Cc-ing all people
participating in discussion; you can read git mailing list via other
interfaces e.g. via GMane.)
The parenthesized part applies to general audience but not to GSoC
students, I would think. Isn't the participation in the mentoring
community mandatory for them?
Perhaps being subscribed to git mailing list, and participating in
#git or #git-devel IRC channel (and perhaps also #gsoc channel) is
mandatory for GSoC students (though I think if it is so it should
be stated clearly in materials such as SoC-2012-Template application
template)...
...but is it required also for _prospective_ (would-be) students?
--
Jakub Narebski
Poland
From: Jeff King <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 06:44:54PM +0100, Jakub Narebski wrote:
quoted
quoted
Actually the discussion of GSoC project application ideas with mentoring
organization[1] should take place in the open, on git mailing list,
git@vger.kernel.org. (You don't need to be subscribed to send email to
it, and there is custom on this mailing list of Cc-ing all people
participating in discussion; you can read git mailing list via other
interfaces e.g. via GMane.)
The parenthesized part applies to general audience but not to GSoC
students, I would think. Isn't the participation in the mentoring
community mandatory for them?
Perhaps being subscribed to git mailing list, and participating in
#git or #git-devel IRC channel (and perhaps also #gsoc channel) is
mandatory for GSoC students (though I think if it is so it should
be stated clearly in materials such as SoC-2012-Template application
template)...
...but is it required also for _prospective_ (would-be) students?
I would hesitate to ever call anything _mandatory_. A student who is
aware of how the git community works, is up-to-date with recent
discussions on the proposed area of work, and who has interacted with
the developer community will have a much stronger application and be
more likely to succeed in their project.
Given that the mailing list is the center of the development community,
I would expect reading at least some of it to be part of the above
tasks. But whether they want to subscribe, read via nntp, read via list
archives on gmane, or whatever, is up to the student. And I certainly
wouldn't expect them to read every message; instead, they should read
parts that interest them and seem applicable to their proposed work.
Because there is a lot of traffic on the list, it often helps to cull
uninteresting bits by their subject, or whole threads after reading the
first message of a thread and deciding it's boring.
-Peff
From: André Walker <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
Well, one way or another, I do want to subscribe. I tried to do it
though, but somehow I'm still not subscribed.
I mailed majordomo@vger.kernel.org with the message body "subscribe
git". I did it twice, yesterday, and today again. Am I doing something
wrong, or should I just wait?
On 03/20/2012 02:54 PM, Jeff King wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 06:44:54PM +0100, Jakub Narebski wrote:
quoted
quoted
quoted
Actually the discussion of GSoC project application ideas with mentoring
organization[1] should take place in the open, on git mailing list,
git@vger.kernel.org. (You don't need to be subscribed to send email to
it, and there is custom on this mailing list of Cc-ing all people
participating in discussion; you can read git mailing list via other
interfaces e.g. via GMane.)
The parenthesized part applies to general audience but not to GSoC
students, I would think. Isn't the participation in the mentoring
community mandatory for them?
Perhaps being subscribed to git mailing list, and participating in
#git or #git-devel IRC channel (and perhaps also #gsoc channel) is
mandatory for GSoC students (though I think if it is so it should
be stated clearly in materials such as SoC-2012-Template application
template)...
...but is it required also for _prospective_ (would-be) students?
I would hesitate to ever call anything _mandatory_. A student who is
aware of how the git community works, is up-to-date with recent
discussions on the proposed area of work, and who has interacted with
the developer community will have a much stronger application and be
more likely to succeed in their project.
Given that the mailing list is the center of the development community,
I would expect reading at least some of it to be part of the above
tasks. But whether they want to subscribe, read via nntp, read via list
archives on gmane, or whatever, is up to the student. And I certainly
wouldn't expect them to read every message; instead, they should read
parts that interest them and seem applicable to their proposed work.
Because there is a lot of traffic on the list, it often helps to cull
uninteresting bits by their subject, or whole threads after reading the
first message of a thread and deciding it's boring.
-Peff
From: Jeff King <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
[-cc everyone but the list, as this will not interest the other people
directly]
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:01:08PM -0300, André Walker wrote:
Well, one way or another, I do want to subscribe. I tried to do it
though, but somehow I'm still not subscribed.
I mailed majordomo@vger.kernel.org with the message body "subscribe
git". I did it twice, yesterday, and today again. Am I doing
something wrong, or should I just wait?
It sounds like you are doing it right. And your emails look OK to me
(and the list is accepting them when cc'd). Your original mails may have
been greylisted, and waiting on your mail server to re-send them.
Depending on how your mail server is configured, that might be a few
minutes or a few hours. How long ago did you try?
-Peff
From: André Walker <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
On 03/20/2012 03:18 PM, Jeff King wrote:
It sounds like you are doing it right. And your emails look OK to me
(and the list is accepting them when cc'd). Your original mails may have
been greylisted, and waiting on your mail server to re-send them.
Depending on how your mail server is configured, that might be a few
minutes or a few hours. How long ago did you try?
Right. The first time was more than 11 hours ago, and the second 1 hour
ago. Is there a list administrator who can whitelist my address?
From: Jeff King <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:26:12PM -0300, André Walker wrote:
On 03/20/2012 03:18 PM, Jeff King wrote:
quoted
It sounds like you are doing it right. And your emails look OK to me
(and the list is accepting them when cc'd). Your original mails may have
been greylisted, and waiting on your mail server to re-send them.
Depending on how your mail server is configured, that might be a few
minutes or a few hours. How long ago did you try?
Right. The first time was more than 11 hours ago, and the second 1
hour ago. Is there a list administrator who can whitelist my address?
We can ask postmaster@vger, but before we do that, there's one more
thing to check. Majordomo will send a confirmation email with a code in
it. Can you check on your end that majordomo's response email wasn't
blocked as spam?
-Peff
From: André Walker <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
On 03/20/2012 03:32 PM, Jeff King wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:26:12PM -0300, André Walker wrote:
quoted
On 03/20/2012 03:18 PM, Jeff King wrote:
quoted
It sounds like you are doing it right. And your emails look OK to me
(and the list is accepting them when cc'd). Your original mails may have
been greylisted, and waiting on your mail server to re-send them.
Depending on how your mail server is configured, that might be a few
minutes or a few hours. How long ago did you try?
Right. The first time was more than 11 hours ago, and the second 1
hour ago. Is there a list administrator who can whitelist my address?
We can ask postmaster@vger, but before we do that, there's one more
thing to check. Majordomo will send a confirmation email with a code in
it. Can you check on your end that majordomo's response email wasn't
blocked as spam?
Yes, I re-checked that now to be sure, and there's nothing from
majordomo there.
From: Jeff King <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:53:21
Hi vger postmasters,
André is having trouble getting subscribed to git@vger. His majordomo
requests get no response. Can you check on your end if they are being
dropped, or if the responses are somehow not making it out?
Thanks.
-Peff
-- >8 --
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 03:42:41PM -0300, André Walker wrote:
quoted
quoted
On 03/20/2012 03:18 PM, Jeff King wrote:
quoted
It sounds like you are doing it right. And your emails look OK to me
(and the list is accepting them when cc'd). Your original mails may have
been greylisted, and waiting on your mail server to re-send them.
Depending on how your mail server is configured, that might be a few
minutes or a few hours. How long ago did you try?
quoted
quoted
Right. The first time was more than 11 hours ago, and the second 1
hour ago. Is there a list administrator who can whitelist my address?
quoted
We can ask postmaster@vger, but before we do that, there's one more
thing to check. Majordomo will send a confirmation email with a code in
it. Can you check on your end that majordomo's response email wasn't
blocked as spam?
Yes, I re-checked that now to be sure, and there's nothing from
majordomo there.