From: Junio C Hamano <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
Felipe Contreras [off-list ref] writes:
I guess Junio's blog is the most official one ATM,...
Sorry, don't.
- Even if you are pretending to be a git community member, you are merely
a phoney if you are not reading it.
- If you want to be up-to-date with what is happening in the community,
you should be reading it. Any important announcement always will
appear there.
That would be an official blog. I do not use mine that way, and nobody
has to follow it in order to function better in the git land.
It's like expecting Linus to announce the kernel release in his blog.
Not going to happen. The official channel of this community has always
been this list.
I'm OK if somebody declares that he will use his blog to relay important
announcements from this list, to help blog minded people to follow it
instead of reading the list.
But that won't be me.
From: Felipe Contreras <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Junio C Hamano[off-list ref] wrote:
Felipe Contreras [off-list ref] writes:
quoted
I guess Junio's blog is the most official one ATM,...
Sorry, don't.
- Even if you are pretending to be a git community member, you are merely
a phoney if you are not reading it.
- If you want to be up-to-date with what is happening in the community,
you should be reading it. Any important announcement always will
appear there.
That would be an official blog. I do not use mine that way, and nobody
has to follow it in order to function better in the git land.
It's like expecting Linus to announce the kernel release in his blog.
Not going to happen. The official channel of this community has always
been this list.
I'm OK if somebody declares that he will use his blog to relay important
announcements from this list, to help blog minded people to follow it
instead of reading the list.
But that won't be me.
I know there's no official git blog, I've tried to change that, but so
far that hasn't happened. IMHO for now the most popular git blog(s)
should announce the survey, I'll announce it at gitlog.wordpress.com
but it is far from being popular.
I understand your position for not making your personal blog the
official one; I wouldn't do that on my personal blog either
(felipec.wordpress.com) that's why I created a separate blog for that,
where you, or anyone else, can do official git posts instead of on
their personal blog.
Cheers.
--
Felipe Contreras
From: Jakub Narebski <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
On Sun, 5 July 2009, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Junio C Hamano[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
Felipe Contreras [off-list ref] writes:
quoted
quoted
I guess Junio's blog is the most official one ATM,...
Sorry, don't.
- Even if you are pretending to be a git community member, you are merely
a phoney if you are not reading it.
- If you want to be up-to-date with what is happening in the community,
you should be reading it. Any important announcement always will
appear there.
That would be an official blog. I do not use mine that way, and nobody
has to follow it in order to function better in the git land.
It's like expecting Linus to announce the kernel release in his blog.
Not going to happen. The official channel of this community has always
been this list.
I'm OK if somebody declares that he will use his blog to relay important
announcements from this list, to help blog minded people to follow it
instead of reading the list.
There is always http://gitrss.q42.co.uk/announce.rss which extracts
"[ANNOUNCE]" emails from git mailing list into an RSS feed, for those
who prefer this way of watching for git news.
quoted
But that won't be me.
I know there's no official git blog, I've tried to change that, but so
far that hasn't happened. IMHO for now the most popular git blog(s)
should announce the survey, I'll announce it at gitlog.wordpress.com
but it is far from being popular.
I understand your position for not making your personal blog the
official one; I wouldn't do that on my personal blog either
(felipec.wordpress.com) that's why I created a separate blog for that,
where you, or anyone else, can do official git posts instead of on
their personal blog.
It's just that somehow for "Git Development Community" a mailing list
is enough. We don't have official git blog, we don't have bugtracker
(issue tracker). At the beginning git didn't even had _homepage_.
A propos blogs: Elijah Newren writes from time to time about git
on http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/ ; I think this blog is in a few
GNOME planets, so if he were so kind as put announcement there
when the time comes... It would be good to have such announcement
on some blog which is in Perl blog planet (Perlsphere and/or Planet
Perl Iron Man), and similarly for other communities which rely on
blogs (KDE, Ruby: anyone?).
There is also http://www.versioncontrolblog.com (which is currently
off-line, so I can't check who to contact).
--
Jakub Narebski
Poland
From: Felipe Contreras <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Jakub Narebski[off-list ref] wrote:
On Sun, 5 July 2009, Felipe Contreras wrote:
quoted
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Junio C Hamano[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
Felipe Contreras [off-list ref] writes:
quoted
quoted
quoted
I guess Junio's blog is the most official one ATM,...
Sorry, don't.
- Even if you are pretending to be a git community member, you are merely
a phoney if you are not reading it.
- If you want to be up-to-date with what is happening in the community,
you should be reading it. Any important announcement always will
appear there.
That would be an official blog. I do not use mine that way, and nobody
has to follow it in order to function better in the git land.
It's like expecting Linus to announce the kernel release in his blog.
Not going to happen. The official channel of this community has always
been this list.
I'm OK if somebody declares that he will use his blog to relay important
announcements from this list, to help blog minded people to follow it
instead of reading the list.
There is always http://gitrss.q42.co.uk/announce.rss which extracts
"[ANNOUNCE]" emails from git mailing list into an RSS feed, for those
who prefer this way of watching for git news.
That's nice, although relatively unknown it seems.
quoted
quoted
But that won't be me.
I know there's no official git blog, I've tried to change that, but so
far that hasn't happened. IMHO for now the most popular git blog(s)
should announce the survey, I'll announce it at gitlog.wordpress.com
but it is far from being popular.
I understand your position for not making your personal blog the
official one; I wouldn't do that on my personal blog either
(felipec.wordpress.com) that's why I created a separate blog for that,
where you, or anyone else, can do official git posts instead of on
their personal blog.
It's just that somehow for "Git Development Community" a mailing list
is enough. We don't have official git blog, we don't have bugtracker
(issue tracker). At the beginning git didn't even had _homepage_.
How do you know that? Have you already asked that question in a survey
already? ;)
As an experiment I added http://gitrss.q42.co.uk/announce.rss to my
Google Reader, and through some tricks you can actually see how many
people are subscribed to that feed: 26. For reference
gitlog.wordpress.com has 28, and Planet IM, a relatively unknown
planet: 844.
And I have many friends who don't follow git's mailing list, so no, I
don't think a mailing list is enough for official announcements.
It would be interesting to clone http://gitrss.q42.co.uk/announce.rss
into gitlog.wordpress.com... I'll see if I can find a way to do that
:)
A propos blogs: Elijah Newren writes from time to time about git
on http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/ ; I think this blog is in a few
GNOME planets, so if he were so kind as put announcement there
when the time comes... It would be good to have such announcement
on some blog which is in Perl blog planet (Perlsphere and/or Planet
Perl Iron Man), and similarly for other communities which rely on
blogs (KDE, Ruby: anyone?).
There is also http://www.versioncontrolblog.com (which is currently
off-line, so I can't check who to contact).
Yeap, posting on planets will get a lot of attention.
Cheers.
--
Felipe Contreras
From: Andreas Ericsson <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Jakub Narebski[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
It's just that somehow for "Git Development Community" a mailing list
is enough. We don't have official git blog, we don't have bugtracker
(issue tracker). At the beginning git didn't even had _homepage_.
How do you know that? Have you already asked that question in a survey
already? ;)
The git developer community flourishes without official blogs, and it
did so even before we had a webpage. In truth, I visit the mailing
list archives more often than I visit the webpage. It doesn't *need* a
blog (or a forum, or a tracker, or whatever), but some people might
find such things helpful. Personally, I'm a huge fan of having it all
in one place.
As an experiment I added http://gitrss.q42.co.uk/announce.rss to my
Google Reader, and through some tricks you can actually see how many
people are subscribed to that feed: 26. For reference
gitlog.wordpress.com has 28, and Planet IM, a relatively unknown
planet: 844.
And I have many friends who don't follow git's mailing list, so no, I
don't think a mailing list is enough for official announcements.
There are no forums suitable for everyone who are interested in git
development. We can (sort of) rely on package maintainers for the
various distros to keep track of groundbreaking changes. People who
compile from source are sort of on their own if they don't want to
follow the mailing list or in some other way find out what's going
on. I don't have a problem with that, and it matches what I'd have
expected myself if I was building something from source.
--
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OP5 AB www.op5.se
Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231
Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and
terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war
on peace.
From: Jakub Narebski <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
On Mon, 6 July 2009, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
Felipe Contreras wrote:
quoted
And I have many friends who don't follow git's mailing list, so no, I
don't think a mailing list is enough for official announcements.
There are no forums suitable for everyone who are interested in git
development. We can (sort of) rely on package maintainers for the
various distros to keep track of groundbreaking changes. People who
compile from source are sort of on their own if they don't want to
follow the mailing list or in some other way find out what's going
on. I don't have a problem with that, and it matches what I'd have
expected myself if I was building something from source.
People who compile from source have RelNotes since 1.5.0. They are
here for a reason...
--
Jakub Narebski
Poland
From: Felipe Contreras <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Andreas Ericsson[off-list ref] wrote:
Felipe Contreras wrote:
quoted
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Jakub Narebski[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
It's just that somehow for "Git Development Community" a mailing list
is enough. We don't have official git blog, we don't have bugtracker
(issue tracker). At the beginning git didn't even had _homepage_.
How do you know that? Have you already asked that question in a survey
already? ;)
The git developer community flourishes without official blogs, and it
did so even before we had a webpage. In truth, I visit the mailing
list archives more often than I visit the webpage. It doesn't *need* a
blog (or a forum, or a tracker, or whatever), but some people might
find such things helpful. Personally, I'm a huge fan of having it all
in one place.
I'm not saying a blog is needed for git to flourish.
I'm saying a blog would help to send official messages.
quoted
As an experiment I added http://gitrss.q42.co.uk/announce.rss to my
Google Reader, and through some tricks you can actually see how many
people are subscribed to that feed: 26. For reference
gitlog.wordpress.com has 28, and Planet IM, a relatively unknown
planet: 844.
And I have many friends who don't follow git's mailing list, so no, I
don't think a mailing list is enough for official announcements.
There are no forums suitable for everyone who are interested in git
development. We can (sort of) rely on package maintainers for the
various distros to keep track of groundbreaking changes. People who
compile from source are sort of on their own if they don't want to
follow the mailing list or in some other way find out what's going
on. I don't have a problem with that, and it matches what I'd have
expected myself if I was building something from source.
I'm not talking about people that compile git, I'm talking about the
bulk of the users; the ones who use package management to install git
and most of the time don't even know which version they are running
nor what new features are available.
In any case, you think there's no need for a blog, I think there is,
how about the rest of the users? Isn't that a question suitable for
asking in the survey?
--
Felipe Contreras
From: Andreas Ericsson <hidden> Date: 2016-06-15 22:47:01
Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Andreas Ericsson[off-list ref] wrote:
quoted
Felipe Contreras wrote:
quoted
quoted
As an experiment I added http://gitrss.q42.co.uk/announce.rss to my
Google Reader, and through some tricks you can actually see how many
people are subscribed to that feed: 26. For reference
gitlog.wordpress.com has 28, and Planet IM, a relatively unknown
planet: 844.
And I have many friends who don't follow git's mailing list, so no, I
don't think a mailing list is enough for official announcements.
There are no forums suitable for everyone who are interested in git
development. We can (sort of) rely on package maintainers for the
various distros to keep track of groundbreaking changes. People who
compile from source are sort of on their own if they don't want to
follow the mailing list or in some other way find out what's going
on. I don't have a problem with that, and it matches what I'd have
expected myself if I was building something from source.
I'm not talking about people that compile git, I'm talking about the
bulk of the users; the ones who use package management to install git
and most of the time don't even know which version they are running
nor what new features are available.
In any case, you think there's no need for a blog, I think there is,
how about the rest of the users? Isn't that a question suitable for
asking in the survey?
Not really. If you feel there's a need for a blog, just start one and
then maintain it. Problem sorted, and 3000 people needn't bother to
even think about it ;-)
If you want a 100% official git blog, then that'll be up to Junio to
do and I'm sure he will if he wants to and think there's a need for
it. Personally I think it's useful to get feedback on what people
want the actual software to do, and much less useful to get feedback
on how the community should be managed. Mostly since the community
will manage itself so long as there's interest in it, and it will do
so better without input from people who aren't actually in it. It's
for that precise reason noone should be allowed to make rules they
don't have to obey themselves.
--
Andreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se
OP5 AB www.op5.se
Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231
Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and
terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war
on peace.
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Jakub Narebski[off-list ref] wrote:
A propos blogs: Elijah Newren writes from time to time about git
on http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/ ; I think this blog is in a few
GNOME planets, so if he were so kind as put announcement there
when the time comes... It would be good to have such announcement
on some blog which is in Perl blog planet (Perlsphere and/or Planet
Perl Iron Man), and similarly for other communities which rely on
blogs (KDE, Ruby: anyone?).
Sure, I'd be happy to put an announcement in my blog.