On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
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Mark Lawrence wrote:
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Hi,
I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm having
trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the documentation.
Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late 2006?)
and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent version
of git. Don't use it.
Oh. That's only <sarcasm>slightly annoying</sarcasm> to learn now, given
that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my projects
over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web page at
http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice
informing people of this?
Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the simpler
interface (and some of the output I find nicer).
On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure
git on repos created with cogito?
And a related question: is there any kind of cogito replacement that
provides a simplified interface? As far as versioning tools go, git is
quite low-level...
Thanks,
Mark.
--
Mark Lawrence
El 27/5/2008, a las 10:04, Mark Lawrence escribió:
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On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
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Mark Lawrence wrote:
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Hi,
I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm
having
trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the
documentation.
Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late
2006?)
and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent
version
of git. Don't use it.
Oh. That's only <sarcasm>slightly annoying</sarcasm> to learn now,
given
that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my
projects
over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web
page at
http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice
informing people of this?
Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the
simpler
interface (and some of the output I find nicer).
On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure
git on repos created with cogito?
And a related question: is there any kind of cogito replacement that
provides a simplified interface? As far as versioning tools go, git is
quite low-level...
The reason why cogito fell out of maintenance is that git itself has
evolved from the hard-core, close-to-the-metal tool that it was in the
early days to be usable by mere mortals. What specific features/
workflows of cogito are you missing? It's likely that modern git
already has an equivalent that is just as easy to use.
Wincent
Mark Lawrence [off-list ref] writes:
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On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
quoted
Mark Lawrence wrote:
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I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm having
trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the documentation.
Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late 2006?)
and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent version
of git. Don't use it.
Oh. That's only <sarcasm>slightly annoying</sarcasm> to learn now, given
that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my projects
over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web page at
http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice
informing people of this?
Git Homepage (http://git.or.cz/) states:
Cogito
Cogito was a popular version control system on top of Git, aiming
at seamless user interface and ease of use. It provided much
better user interface in the past but later improvements of Git
made it mostly obsolete and it is not maintained anymore. Please
migrate to Git itself.
I guess that it should be mentioned stronly also on Cogito homepage,
although the date of latest release ([2006-10-19]) is a bit of hint...
BTW. maintaner (Petr Baudis [off-list ref]) welcomes patches; the
repository is at http://repo.or.cz/r/git-homepage.git
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Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the simpler
interface (and some of the output I find nicer).
BTW. I think one of the reasons Cogito died was that it tried to hide
index, and used single branch per repository paradigm when dealing
with remote repositories while git acquired powerful tool (git-remote)
to deal with multi-branches remote repositories... and
author/maintainer didn't have time to modify Cogito to include those
features.
I'd say that Cogito was one of forces behind making Git easier to use
(for example git-filter-branch is the equivalent of cg-admin-rewrite-hist,
a single thing that was possible in Cogito but was not possible in Git,
created when Cogito was announced to be no longer maintained/abandoned).
quoted
On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure
git on repos created with cogito?
I don't thinks so.
And a related question: is there any kind of cogito replacement that
provides a simplified interface? As far as versioning tools go, git is
quite low-level...
There are two projects aiming at easier git experience: EasyGit (which
is mainly documentation improvement) and Pyrite (which will include
GUI), but IIRC both are in early stages of development.
P.S. As Cogito is OSS project, you can always [try to] revive it,
I think even without changing its name...
--
Jakub Narebski
Poland
ShadeHawk on #git
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:48:29AM +0200, Jakub Narebski wrote:
Mark Lawrence [off-list ref] writes:
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On Mon May 26, 2008 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
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Mark Lawrence wrote:
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I don't know if this is a bug or just my understanding, but I'm having
trouble matching the behaviour of "cg-switch -l" with the documentation.
Cogito became officially unmaintained a very long time ago (late 2006?)
and will almost certainly not work properly with any half-recent version
of git. Don't use it.
Oh. That's only <sarcasm>slightly annoying</sarcasm> to learn now, given
that I've spent the past two years learning and converting my projects
over to cogito :/ Could somebody *please* update the cogito web page at
http://git.or.cz/cogito/ and put a big (maybe even blinking) notice
informing people of this?
Git Homepage (http://git.or.cz/) states:
Cogito
Cogito was a popular version control system on top of Git, aiming
at seamless user interface and ease of use. It provided much
better user interface in the past but later improvements of Git
made it mostly obsolete and it is not maintained anymore. Please
migrate to Git itself.
I guess that it should be mentioned stronly also on Cogito homepage,
although the date of latest release ([2006-10-19]) is a bit of hint...
Good point. I have added a hint.
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Bit of a shame that it's died though, because I appreciated the simpler
interface (and some of the output I find nicer).
BTW. I think one of the reasons Cogito died was that it tried to hide
index, and used single branch per repository paradigm when dealing
with remote repositories while git acquired powerful tool (git-remote)
to deal with multi-branches remote repositories... and
author/maintainer didn't have time to modify Cogito to include those
features.
I think hiding index was not a mistake and certainly not a reason of
death. It died mainly because I lost motivation to extend it as Git
rapidly improved its user interface, and indeed also because of the work
required to implement remotes tracking (I did have some work in progress
that I'm not sure if I ever published; if anyone is interested, I can
push it somewhere).
I'd say that Cogito was one of forces behind making Git easier to use
(for example git-filter-branch is the equivalent of cg-admin-rewrite-hist,
a single thing that was possible in Cogito but was not possible in Git,
created when Cogito was announced to be no longer maintained/abandoned).
(Not single. I still use cg-export in some of my workflows to export
tree of some commit quickly. And I still did not have time to add
support for |fmt'ing git commit's -m arguments. But these are the
only things that I can think of straight away.)
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On a more practical note, am I likely to suffer any issues using pure
git on repos created with cogito?
I don't thinks so.
Not strictly, but Cogito uses very old-style remote repositories
tracking model. I think Git still technically supports it, but you might
get confused when seeing hints and documentation expecting the modern
setup. You do not need to do anything about the central repositories but
I would advise you to simply re-clone the leaf repositories.
P.S. As Cogito is OSS project, you can always [try to] revive it,
I think even without changing its name...
I hoped somebody would when I announced end-of-life from my side, but
frankly I don't think it's worthwhile at this point. Cogito was Git's
counterpart for the whole of Git's early life and it shows in the code
very much - it goes at great lengths to achieve things that you would do
trivially with the newer Git interfaces. It's probably better idea to
hack away at things like EasyGit or even better improve documentation
and usage of Git itself.
--
Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. -- J. W. von Goethe
Hi,
On Thu, 29 May 2008, Petr Baudis wrote:
I still did not have time to add support for |fmt'ing git commit's -m
arguments.
Note that I have a git-fmt in my personal fork that might have the
building blocks to provide a --fmt option to git-commit one day.
Ciao,
Dscho